Spring 2001 * English 110J * Tanaka 

E/M QUESTIONS FROM GROUP DISCUSSION

Chapter 2 NOUNS 

 

 

1. SET1/18: Why is CLEANING in CLEANING fluid not a NOUN?  

2. SET1/21: Why isn't TO KNIT a noun in SHE LIKES TO KNIT SWEATERS? 

3. SET2/1: Why isn't TO HELP a noun if it is the DO. 

ANSWER: See answer to Question 2 above. 

4. SET2/5: Why is ALL a noun instead of a PRONOUN? 

5. SET2/6: THE DOG RAN IN FRONT OF THE CAR BEFORE WE HAD A CHANCE TO STOP. In the back (131) it says IN FRONT OF is a PREPOSITION. So why do they call FRONT a noun? 

6. SET2/8: Why is ILLUSTRATOR in IN BECOMING AN ILLUSTRATOR not the object of a preposition? 

ANSWER: ILLUSTRATOR is the OBJECT of the VERBAL, 'BECOMING.'

'BECOMING' is a GERUND because it is the OBJECT of the PREPOSITION <IN>.  

<ILLUSTRATOR> is a part of the GERUND PHRASE, BECOMING AN ILLUSTRATOR." 

7. SET2/11: Why isn't DISHES a DO in SHE LIKES TO PREPARE ELEGANT DISHES? 

8. SET2/17: Why is INVESTMENT a DO in AN ACURA IS NOT ONLY A BEAUTIFUL CAR BUT A PRACTICAL ONE <IF YOU CAN AFFORD THE INVESTMENT>.  

9. SET2/18: Why isn't CALIFORNIA called a NOUN in CALIFORNIA GRAPES? Isn't it an ADJECTIVE? 

10. SET2/19: Why is TERM a NOUN modifier as opposed to an ADJECTIVE? 

ANSWER: See the answer to Question 9.

[term paper] <-- [paper that is submitted at the end of the  term]. 

11. SET3/2: THOUSANDS is called a NOUN. Is it? 

ANSWER: EM considers it the 'name' of a number. However,  numbers are usually considered to be ADJECTIVES. This is a  good question. 

12. SET3/10: Are IRISH and ENGLISH proper NOUNS? 

ANSWER: Here they are PROPER ADJECTIVES, Adjectives  that  are derived from Proper Nouns. 

13. SET6/2: Why is THE HERD not collective? 

ANSWER: I don't understand the question. EM calls it  collective. 

 

14. SET7/9: Why is WHATEVER YOU DO a noun clause in WHATEVER YOU DO WILL AFFECT THE REMAINDER OF YOUR ACADEMIC CAREER? 

15. SET7/5: Please do the sentence:  

DICK CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE [FOR EVERYTHING HIS CHILDREN DO]. I don't think that is a NOUN CLAUSE. 

16. P.35. Examples of Noun Clauses under examples of OBJECTS OF PREPOSITIONS. 

I don't understand these examples. I would say: 

Are there NOUN CLAUSES in these phrases? 

ANSWER: No, but first you need to understand the concept of a Verb+Particle construction to make sense of why this is so. 

In English as in many languages we can have multiple-word verbs, verbs that consist of more than one word. These are not the same as Verb that has a modifier because modifiers are always optional. They can be deleted without changing the meaning of the Verb. 

For example, the PrepPhrase <up the stairs> answers the Adverbial question "Where?" when asked of the verb (GO) in the following. 

Kim went up the stairs. (Kim went WHERE?) 

But <up> does not answer the question "Where?" in the following: 

Kim got up in the morning. (*Kim got WHERE?) 

Here we want to say that the Main Verb is <TO GET UP> which means to 'arise' or 'awaken.' We can also state: 

Kim got up from the chair. 

This means 'arise' in the directional sense. In both these cases, <GET> has no meaning alone. It makes no sense to say that Kim is <GETTING> as an action in itself. So the verb can be described as a Verb+Particle construction, where the Particle is a word that looks like a Preposition or an Adverb but is necessary to the meaning of the verb. Unlike a modifier, it cannot be deleted without changing the meaning of the Verb. 

In linguistics based grammars, there are many examples of Verb+Particle constructions in English. Two of these are <Bid For> and <Complained About>. In these cases, FOR and ABOUT are not Prepositions but particles. They belong to the Verb. 

Therefore, returning to your question, EM is being traditional by calling them Prepositions. However, because they call them Prepositions, they are forced to call the RELATIVE CLAUSES that follow them NOUN CLAUSES. They are not.  

On the other hand, your rephrasings of the constructions do make sense from the linguistics point of view I have just used. But again, they might be considered by most MTGs as either 'informal' or flat-out incorrect because they end in 'a preposition.' 

This is another example of how traditional grammars like Grammar Smart and Ehlich and Murphy often give inconsistent or contradictory explanations of very common constructions.